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  • Writer's pictureMichael Lenz

"When a flower's not growing, you don't blame the flower, you change the greenhouse"

In this episode, we had the opportunity to interview Dr. Matt, a renowned expert in the field of neurodivergent psychology. Our conversation touched on various aspects of neurodivergence, its impact on individuals and families, and the importance of acceptance and empowerment. This blog post will recap some key takeaways from our insightful discussion with Dr. Matt.

Understanding Neurodivergence:

Neurodivergence refers to the natural variations in how the brain functions and processes information. It encompasses conditions such as autism, ADHD, dyslexia, and many others. Contrary to the traditional model of pathologizing differences, the neurodivergent perspective seeks to embrace and celebrate these differences, recognizing them as valuable and valid ways of being in the world.

Building Trust and Supportive Environments:

One of the recurring themes in our conversation was the importance of trust within the neurodivergent community. Whether it's the parent-child relationship or partnerships, building trust is crucial. Dr. Matt emphasized that trust is not an all-or-nothing concept and should be nurtured through open and honest communication, setting and respecting boundaries, and creating supportive environments. Trust is the foundation upon which individuals with neurodivergence can thrive and explore their true potential.

Educating Ourselves and Others:

As we delved deeper into the topic, the issue of stigma surrounding neurodivergence came up. We acknowledged that while stigma exists, it should not deter individuals from seeking understanding and support. Dr. Matt urged both neurodivergent individuals and their loved ones to educate themselves about neurodivergence, its various manifestations, and available resources. By gaining knowledge and finding community, individuals can find acceptance and realize that they are not alone in their journey.

Book Recommendations:

We touched on various books that shed light on neurodivergence throughout our conversation. Dr. Matt highlighted several recommended reads, including "Your Rainforest Mind" by Paula Prober, "How to Be Everything" by Emily Wapnick, "Teaching Twice Exceptional Learners" and "Raising Twice Exceptional Children" by Emily Kircher Morris, and "Different, Not Less" by Temple Grandin. These books serve as powerful tools to empower individuals and their families while fostering deeper understanding and acceptance.

Online Communities and Support Groups:

When discussing finding support as an adult with a recent neurodivergent diagnosis, Dr. Matt emphasized the importance of online communities and support groups. Whether joining Facebook communities, attending local meetups, or connecting with like-minded individuals, the online space offers many resources and networking opportunities. These communities help individuals realize they are not alone and provide a safe space for sharing experiences, seeking advice, and finding support.

Embracing Individuality and Redefining Success:

Dr. Matt emphasized the significance of embracing individuality and redefining success according to one's own strengths and abilities. Neurodivergent individuals should be encouraged to pursue their passions and interests, building on their unique talents. Success should not be measured solely by societal standards but tailored to each individual's strengths and goals.


In this thought-provoking interview with Dr. Matt, we explored the multifaceted world of neurodivergence. We learned the importance of building trust, educating ourselves and others, and finding support through books, online communities, and local meetups. By embracing our individuality and celebrating neurodivergence, we can cultivate environments that empower each person to reach their full potential. Remember, it is never too late to embark on your neurodivergent journey. Start today and discover the acceptance and empowerment that await you.

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minka b
minka b
Jan 30

Hi there 🙂 I'm new to this space and found your podcast after you were on the uniquely human podcast. In the episode of your podcast you mentioned a FB fibromyalgia group that you polled about neurodivergence, could you tell me or link where I can find that group? Thanks!!! I'm so happy to have found your podcast 🙏🥹

Michael Lenz
Michael Lenz
Jan 30
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Thanks so much

Here is a link

I’d love to hear more about your story

Feel free to email me and any questions have.

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